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	<title>Comments on: Why Twitter is a  F**ked place for conversations</title>
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		<title>By: Gary  Sauer-Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary  Sauer-Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a suggestion: 

you could reconstruct the debate on the weblog eg. the issue is....
the 2-3 positions were.
the arguments for these positions were. 

it can be done in a shorthand kind of way. 

then other webloggers --eg .,me-- could pick it and kick it along --then we have amore permanent conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a suggestion: </p>
<p>you could reconstruct the debate on the weblog eg. the issue is&#8230;.<br />
the 2-3 positions were.<br />
the arguments for these positions were. </p>
<p>it can be done in a shorthand kind of way. </p>
<p>then other webloggers &#8211;eg .,me&#8211; could pick it and kick it along &#8211;then we have amore permanent conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: richtea</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>richtea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were tweetin gto that many people at once, wouldn&#039;t your tweet just be full up with @s?

I&#039;d go with just archiving it yourself within the three week time frame. Or use a hashtag and feed that through Google Reader like Dave suggests.

Imagine the space required to archive all tweets - retrieval could be a nightmare too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were tweetin gto that many people at once, wouldn&#8217;t your tweet just be full up with @s?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go with just archiving it yourself within the three week time frame. Or use a hashtag and feed that through Google Reader like Dave suggests.</p>
<p>Imagine the space required to archive all tweets &#8211; retrieval could be a nightmare too!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if anyone has seen this concept from Silentale? Still in the very early development stages.

 http://bit.ly/4tZ8i3

Thanks

@robertpickstone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if anyone has seen this concept from Silentale? Still in the very early development stages.</p>
<p> <a href="http://bit.ly/4tZ8i3" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4tZ8i3</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>@robertpickstone</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Scott was referring to the paywall discussion on http://www.tweeterview.com/published-tweeterview/4e6a413d but at present that is only one on one format not an actual streaming discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Scott was referring to the paywall discussion on <a href="http://www.tweeterview.com/published-tweeterview/4e6a413d" rel="nofollow">http://www.tweeterview.com/published-tweeterview/4e6a413d</a> but at present that is only one on one format not an actual streaming discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Wellington</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t even realize that the archive was temporary until too late.  Twitter&#039;s being touted for &quot;coverage&quot; of things like the election in Iran and the TVA ash spill, but for what, if it disappears soon thereafter.  And you cannot even make an easy cut and paste of  your own tweets.

I&#039;ve gone back to blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t even realize that the archive was temporary until too late.  Twitter&#8217;s being touted for &#8220;coverage&#8221; of things like the election in Iran and the TVA ash spill, but for what, if it disappears soon thereafter.  And you cannot even make an easy cut and paste of  your own tweets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gone back to blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sonstein</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Sonstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you had it right in the 1st sentence: &quot;Twitter is about realtime conversation.&quot; [with them emphasis on &quot;realtime&quot;] 

it is not IRC, it is more like the lunchroom in school.  

;^}

jeffs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you had it right in the 1st sentence: &#8220;Twitter is about realtime conversation.&#8221; [with them emphasis on "realtime"] </p>
<p>it is not IRC, it is more like the lunchroom in school.  </p>
<p>;^}</p>
<p>jeffs</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we await Twitter rolling out their enhanced features, there are ways and tools to find older information:-

Google works well for search, and there are a few tools for threading and saving conversations between people.

And to be fair, how many conversations have you had verbally in that time which have not been archived or recorded? (Unless the Government may have been keeping tabs!) There&#039;s been some discussion about the benefits of things actually fading over time - if the conversation was truly good enough you can save the relevant points as Twitter Favourites, or use Delicious or similar.


Incidentally on paywalls, I&#039;m a firm believer that they can only ever work if something is of a significant niche interest - e.g. when I worked at Emap, a title like the Middle Eastern Economic Digest would work, because there were never likely to be many free alternatives.
But for anything which is likely to spawn two or three rivals, which can be run by one or two people on an ad-supported model as a minimum, a paywall makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we await Twitter rolling out their enhanced features, there are ways and tools to find older information:-</p>
<p>Google works well for search, and there are a few tools for threading and saving conversations between people.</p>
<p>And to be fair, how many conversations have you had verbally in that time which have not been archived or recorded? (Unless the Government may have been keeping tabs!) There&#8217;s been some discussion about the benefits of things actually fading over time &#8211; if the conversation was truly good enough you can save the relevant points as Twitter Favourites, or use Delicious or similar.</p>
<p>Incidentally on paywalls, I&#8217;m a firm believer that they can only ever work if something is of a significant niche interest &#8211; e.g. when I worked at Emap, a title like the Middle Eastern Economic Digest would work, because there were never likely to be many free alternatives.<br />
But for anything which is likely to spawn two or three rivals, which can be run by one or two people on an ad-supported model as a minimum, a paywall makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only been using Twitter for a few months so maybe I don&#039;t have a lot to go on in terms of wanting to look back on old conversations on this platform. I use plenty of other communication tools though and my first thoughts on Twitter not saving conversations are:

If I am having a general conversation with friends then it is very unlikely that I will want to keep a record of everything that is said. This is similar to keeping old text messages or emails. Unless they are of a very personal nature then I would not want them. They wouldn&#039;t be online conversations anyway in that case. Due to nothing of any great value being exchanged it does not bother me if these records disappear.

If I am using Twitter for work purposes or I am discussing a personal interest and I come across an interesting source of information then I save this file or link myself straight away. I can then take another look at it whenever I want to.

For me, the problem of not being able to retrieve old twitter conversations arises when the context in which the information saved is not clear or if you can&#039;t actually remember the direction and/or development of the conversation.

In general though, if something pops up in a conversation that is worth saving then do it straight away. Twitter is just making you make that choice a little bit quicker than you would like to.

Rob (@robertpickstone)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only been using Twitter for a few months so maybe I don&#8217;t have a lot to go on in terms of wanting to look back on old conversations on this platform. I use plenty of other communication tools though and my first thoughts on Twitter not saving conversations are:</p>
<p>If I am having a general conversation with friends then it is very unlikely that I will want to keep a record of everything that is said. This is similar to keeping old text messages or emails. Unless they are of a very personal nature then I would not want them. They wouldn&#8217;t be online conversations anyway in that case. Due to nothing of any great value being exchanged it does not bother me if these records disappear.</p>
<p>If I am using Twitter for work purposes or I am discussing a personal interest and I come across an interesting source of information then I save this file or link myself straight away. I can then take another look at it whenever I want to.</p>
<p>For me, the problem of not being able to retrieve old twitter conversations arises when the context in which the information saved is not clear or if you can&#8217;t actually remember the direction and/or development of the conversation.</p>
<p>In general though, if something pops up in a conversation that is worth saving then do it straight away. Twitter is just making you make that choice a little bit quicker than you would like to.</p>
<p>Rob (@robertpickstone)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interview was done via Twitter just recently about the paywall debate. This was done through www.twitterview.com
Great thing about that tool is that it tweets the onterview but also stores a transcript for later.  

Whilst it wont give you what you are looking for here, right now, it is feasible it could in future - and quite easily too.

It may be worthwhile leaving feedback on that site about what you want ( ie: a virtual press conference/discussion tool), to see if they have plans for that soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interview was done via Twitter just recently about the paywall debate. This was done through <a href="http://www.twitterview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.twitterview.com</a><br />
Great thing about that tool is that it tweets the onterview but also stores a transcript for later.  </p>
<p>Whilst it wont give you what you are looking for here, right now, it is feasible it could in future &#8211; and quite easily too.</p>
<p>It may be worthwhile leaving feedback on that site about what you want ( ie: a virtual press conference/discussion tool), to see if they have plans for that soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Simms</title>
		<link>http://www.bronwenclune.com/2009/09/07/why-twitter-is-a-fked-place-for-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Simms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Flintoff is on the money....the passion in Bronwen&#039;s post points to a burning customer need.
And - kaching - that points to a revenue opportunity.
Bring it on, Rai.......Twitter integration for TanglerLive could be big!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Flintoff is on the money&#8230;.the passion in Bronwen&#8217;s post points to a burning customer need.<br />
And &#8211; kaching &#8211; that points to a revenue opportunity.<br />
Bring it on, Rai&#8230;&#8230;.Twitter integration for TanglerLive could be big!</p>
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